Upcoming Round Table Meeting for Alabama Civil War Round TAble

Trivia Question (answer below):

What mode of transportation that helped win the Civil War for the North helped rebuild the South afterwards and what was so unusual about the carrier on which it traveled?

To all that shall see these presents greetings:

It is my pleasure to announce that the October meeting of the Alabama Civil War Roundtable will be held next Thursday, October 9th at the Vestavia Hills Library on Highway 31 and that the meeting will start at 6:30 PM. The speaker will be yours truly (Bob Sorrell) and I will be speaking on Heavy Artillery of the American Civil War.

If you have an interest in all types of Civil War Artillery, our featured website this month is: http://www.civilwarartillery.com . Also our website: http://www.civilwaralabama.org is a good source of Civil War information.

Take care and we hope to see you next Thursday


Trivia Question answer:

The standard width of the rails (the carrier) of the US rail system today is 4feet, 8 and 1/2 inches. This was the width (gauge)used in the North before the Civil War while in the South, even though the majority of the locomotives had been made in the North; the 113 different railroad companies used three different track gauges. As the war progressed and the Union forces pressed South, as they captured railroads; the North converted them to their track gauge until the majority of the railroads in the South (over 2,000miles) had been converted to a standard gauge. After the war, this trend continued; making it possible to travel without having to change trains due to a change of track gauge. Also, in a rather strange twist; it has long been believed that the track gauge width of 4’8.5″ came from the width between the wheels of a Roman War Chariot. What do you think?

Info from Greg Biggs on his upcoming Atlanta Campaign tour

Hello everyone,

First, my apologies in not getting this out sooner. My two careers have tied me up a lot the last three weeks. We have some good news and some bad news. Bad goes first:

1) We are postponing the planned Devil on the Railroad: Nathan Bedford Forrest in Northern Alabama tour to sometime in 2015. We hit some logistics snags for this planned early November run so we are dropping it back into 2015. Things are really heating up in the Middle Tennessee area with the events coming fast and furious for the Spring Hill/Franklin battle and the Battle of Nashville and the Lotz House staff is already being swamped. The response has caught folks off guard in terms of how big it is. So rather than do something half-baked, they decided to punt into 2015 when they can devote better attention to the tours.

They are also still planning a Devil on the River: Forrest’s 1864 West Tennessee Raid covering his famous attack on the Union supply base at Johnsonville, Tennessee in early November 1864.

As soon as we can slot those dates in we will let you know for both tours. Now the good news>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

SAVE THE DATE – Atlanta Campaign Tour Part Two: The River Line to Jonesboro

The Lotz House can now confirm these dates for the above tour – March 25-29 (Wednesday through Sunday), 2015. This is the last weekend of the month.

This tour will be four days on the field and again base out of Franklin, Tennessee as last time. We head down to Georgia Wednesday afternoon to Marietta. Stay at same hotel every night. Tours will be done on Thursday, Friday, Saturday and some of Sunday (mainly Allatoona Pass battlefield and possibly one museum) on the way back. This tour adds a fourth day as this way we can factor in some museum time like the Atlanta History Center (one of the three best Civil War museums in the nation), Gone With the Wind Museum and the Margaret Mitchell House. Even though her book was a novel it was about the Atlanta Campaign and thus a perfect tie in I think. We will see her grave at one stop as well. The museum stops add a bit to the tour so that it is not all battlefields. We are hopeful to get in either Ezra Church or Utoy Creek battlefield as part of this tour.

Proposed stops will include: Johnston’s River Line – Shoupade Park, Roswell and the Union river crossings, Battle of Peachtree Creek (several stops), Battle of Atlanta (several stops), Battle of either Ezra Church or Utoy Creek, Battle of Jonesboro (several stops), Atlanta Cyclorama, Atlanta History Center, Margaret Mitchell House, Gone With the Wind Museum and Allatoona Pass Battlefield (the first battle of Hood’s Tennessee Campaign).

We will have local historians speak to us at night as with the first tour. Planned speakers include Charlie Crawford (Georgia Battlefield Association), Stephen Davis (noted historian and author) and either Russell Bonds or Gordon Jones (Atlanta History Center curator). All are based in Atlanta. Stephen Davis has a recent book out on the destruction of Atlanta that is masterful.

As soon as the numbers are developed I will get them out to you. Cavalier Tours will handle the hotels, coach and other tour related services as with the first tour. and all of this will be factored into the tour package price as before. We have been asked if some folks can fly directly into Atlanta and head home from there. That’s perfectly fine but there is no tour price discount and you will also miss the stops on Sunday in particular Allatoona Pass battlefield. Please keep that in mind when making your plans.

There will be single and double rooms packages as before but it will be the responsibility of tour attendees to set up any room mates for these rooms. If you email me that you would like to share a room I will post it to everyone and you can work things out with them. We had a couple guests do that last time in fact.

Tour guides will again be Greg Biggs and Thomas Cartwright.

Thanks for your time. Sorry again about the Alabama Forrest tour but look for that in 2015 along with other planned tours.

Thanks very much for your past support.

Forrest at Fallen Timbers

Forrest at Fallen Timbers

Then Col. Nathan Bedford Forrest by his actions on April 8th 1862 was attributed with one of the greatest feats in Civil War history. But, what really happened at Fallen Timbers?     



    After two days of fighting at the battle of Shiloh with it’s all too foretelling  deathtoll that shocked both the North and South; the Confederate Army was in retreat. Maj. General  U.S. Grant ordered Brig. General William Tecumseh Sherman to ascertain if the Confederates were in fact in retreat back to Corinth or if they were falling back to reform their lines. Sherman was taking two brigades of infantry(Hildebands’3rd and Bucklands’4th ) along with one battalion of cavalry on his reconnaissance. After realizing that the Confederates were in fact in retreat Sherman discovered a large field hospital and the existance of Confederate cavalry in the area. He then set up a skirimish line believing the area to be a good defensive position against cavalry due to the “miry ground and fallen timber”. (1)





    For the retreating  Confederates Brig. General John C. Breckinridge had ordered Col. Nathan Bedford Forrest to screen the armies movments and to protect a large field hospital.  Maj. Thomas Harrison of the 8th Texas cavalry had noticed the advancing Federal troops on a scouting mission with about 40 troopers. Realizing his force was insufficient he returned to camp where he met up with a company of Wirt Adams’ Mississippi cavalry. They then found Forrest with his command of the 3rd Tennessee giving them a combined force of a little over 300 men mounted. Forrest being the highest ranking officer assumed command of the combined force.





Sherman himself later descibed what happened next, “Forrest’s cavalry came down, with a yell, firing away with their pistols, over the skirmish line, over the supports right in among us.” All of this being witnessed directly by Sherman because he was with his staff at the skirmish line. He also added, “My Aide-de-Camp, McCoy, was knocked down, horse and rider, into the mud, but I, and the rest of my staff ingloriously fled, pell mell, through the mud, closely followed by Forrest with pistols already emptied.”  Forrest by all accounts continued further on to ascertain the situation. At the same time the remaining Confederates were pulling back with their Federal prisoners.

    Here is where the story begins to take a turn and the beginning of a legend is born. Forrest, at this point was stuck out alone and in front of the advancing Federals. Forrest took fire from almost every direction and was struck with a ball from an Austrian rifle just above the point of the hip and lodging next to his spine according to Jordan & Pryor, Forrest’s first biographers and the only written while he was alive and Forrest himself approved the manuscript. Next, Forrest is supposed to have picked up a Union private and slung him across the back of his horse to screen his back while he shot his way off the field.

    The problem with this amazing feat is that nowhere in any of the Official Records, Jordan & Pryor’s biography or in the discussions between Sherman and Forrest was this amazing act mentioned. The first time it came up was in Robert Selph Henry’s “First with the Most”, published in 1944 and none of Henry’s citations ever mention this happening according to Stacy Allen historian for Shiloh NB. According to Sherman as cited in his 1881 paper on the Battle of Shiloh, “I have seen Forrest since the war; have talked to him about this very matter, and he explained that he was left behind by Breckinridge to protect this hospital camp, and if possible to check the pursuit by our forces which was naturally expected after the close of the battle of Shiloh. I’m sure that had he not emptied his pistols as he passed the skirmish line, my career would have ended right there.” It certainly does not sound like Sherman was trying to take anything away from Forrest and his actions on that day, so why is it not mentioned by them then?


    I think it would be near impossible even with the adrenaline of battle to pick up a grown man with one hand and throw him over your back essentially, control your mount and have a hand free for a pistol and all the while with a ball lodged against your spine. Forrest acted bravely enough as did all the charging troopers without what seems to be a tall tale added in for effect.



www.civilwar.org  Fallen Timbers: Then and Now

First with the Most: Nathan Bedford Forrest by Robert Selph Henry

The Campaigns of Nathan Bedford Forrest and of Forrest’s Cavalry by General Thomas Jordan and J.P. Pryor


Seminar in the Woods

“Seminar in the Woods, 2014 – March 7 and 8, 2014.
It’s time to start planning for next March…
CCNMP Study Group 2014 Seminar in the Woods.
Mission Statement: The purpose of the Chickamauga and Chattanooga National Military Park Study Group is to create a forum to bring students of the American Civil War together to study and explore those events in the fall of 1863 that led ultimately to the creation of the Chickamauga and Chattanooga National Military Park … “for the purpose of preserving and suitably marking for historical and professional military study the fields of some of the most remarkable maneuvers and most brilliant fighting in the war of the rebellion.”
Tour Leaders: Jim Ogden, Park Historian, and Dave Powell
Date: Friday, March 7, and Saturday, March 8, 2014.
Note: Friday’s tours will involve a tour bus. We will be charging a small fee for use of the bus. See below.
Friday: 8:30 a.m. to 5:00 – George Thomas and the XIV Corps advance to Chickamauga.
In the morning, we will explore the XIV Corps crossing of the Tennessee, visiting Shellmound, Jasper, and Trenton between roughly August 30th and September 9th; much of this exploration will also include following Rosecrans and army headquarters since Rosecrans and Thomas spent much time together during these movements
Park at the Visitor‘s Center. The bus will depart and return from there.
Lunch Break:
We will not be returning to the Visitor’s Center for lunch, as this would take at least an hour out of the day. Instead, we will stop in downtown Chattanooga, or at Trenton.
This means that whatever you need for the day, be prepared to bring it with you. We will not have access to the cars at lunch.
Friday Afternoon:
In the afternoon, we will cross Lookout Mountain, and follow Thomas’s corps into McLemore’s Cove and then on to Crawfish Spring, in the town of Chickamauga.
On foot and by car caravan:
Saturday Morning: 8:30 a.m. to Noon. Baird and Brannan Engage, September 19th
Saturday morning we will return to the vicinity of Jay’s Mill and Winfrey Field, to explore the developing fight on September 19th. Our primary focus will be on Brannan’s engagement with Wilson’s and Ector’s Brigades of Walker’s Confederate corps, Baird’s entry into the fight, and Liddell’s counter-attack.
Meet at the visitor’s center, and then car-caravan to Jay’s Mill Road.
Saturday Afternoon: 1:30 p.m. to 5:00 p.m. Gordon Granger and the defense of Horseshoe Ridge.
We will finish our tours on Horseshoe Ridge, following the Union Reserve Corps onto the battlefield and describing the ensuing action. We will focus primarily on that part of Horseshoe Ridge beyond Hill 3, out to the end of the Union line.
Meet at the visitor’s center, and then car-caravan to Snodgrass Hill.
Cost: Beyond the fee for Friday’s Bus, there is no cost for tour participation. Meals lodging, transportation, and incidentals, however, are the individual’s responsibility.”

The Condundrum of the Rifle, part III

Chickamauga Blog

Brigadier General James A. Deshler’s Brigade of Texans, in Pat Cleburne’s Division, experienced two very different engagements on September 19th and 20th, 1863. The first, an almost bloodless night action that resulted in the capture of several hundred Federals, was a heady experience, while the second, a static firefight against an entrenched enemy, proved fruitlessly deadly. they also participated in the final assault on the Union Kelly Field line at the end of the day on the 20th, but since the Federals were already retreating, they faced very little actual opposition in this last effort.

Deshler’s men were all trans-Mississippians: seven regiments of Texas infantry and dismounted cavalry formed into two units for tactical reasons, and two regiments of Arkansas infantry similarly consolidated. Thus, Deshler’s brigade operated as three regiments with a combined infantry strength of 1693 officers and men. Based on their ammunition consumption, about 1/3 of them were…

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